From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41904: Emacs Lisp Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1687592701.1561823.1592364629846.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1687592701.1561823.1592364629846@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34767"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41904@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andrew Goh Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 04:53:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1juoaV-0008vJ-JA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 04:53:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45152 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1juoaU-0004KH-In for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1juoZW-0003AJ-0G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1juoZV-0005jR-NM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1juoZV-0003zb-MW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41904 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 41904-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41904.159460868615306 (code B ref 41904); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41904) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2020 02:51:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1juoYv-0003yo-Lc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1juoYs-0003ya-QE for 41904@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:51:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1juoYn-0005cJ-6s; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1juoYl-0003Oq-IC; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:51:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1687592701.1561823.1592364629846@mail.yahoo.com> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:182960 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Clojure is not a dialect of Lisp. It has fundamental differences -- for instance, it does not represent lists using cons cells. That means the most basic programming techniques of Lisp don't work in Clojure. If Clojure is useful for you, there is nothing wrong with using it -- its implementation is free software, ISTR -- but please don't think of it as Lisp. > Secondly, I will probably have to learn Clojure too if Emacs Lisp > is not "enhanced" to become a full Lisp language that can generate > programs with concurrency features on all its platforms - Unix, > Linux, MacOS and Windows. Unix, MacOS and Windows are complete operating systems. Linux is not a complete operating system, it is a kernel. So I think you must be talking about the GNU operating system with Linux as kernel. Many people call that system "Linux", but that is a confusion. It misattributes our work to someone else, which is treating us badly. Would you please call it "GNU/Linux" to give the GNU Project equal mention? See https://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and https://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in https://gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)