From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:09:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> <3c558381-f584-a2e5-972e-007221347f16@yandex.ru> <87tv0c2pxc.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="66301"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, eliz@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 20 05:11:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jmTub-000H9y-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 05:11:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51478 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmTua-0002Ww-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:11:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmTt5-00014T-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:09:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33083) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jmTt3-00021G-U3; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jmTt2-0007LG-7Q; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:09:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Tue, 26 May 2020 07:42:34 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252417 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > If people working for those companies or in activities involving such > hardware/software, say in some hospital, and would like to use Emacs (or > other GNU software) to develop possibly but non-necessary free or "open > source" applications to work with/alongside non-free what should they > do? What they should do is, not use GNU discussion lists to promote the use of those nonfree programs. Regarding the putative free programs they might perhaps be developing, there may be some GNU discussion list where it is pertinent to discuss them. Especially if they are GNU packages. But not here -- this list is for developing GNU Emacs. Those other free programs may be entirely admirable, but discussing them here is off topic, aside from special cases. BTW, the words "free or 'open source'" could reinforce a widespread confusion. It appears that most people in computing think that "free" and "open source" are disjoint. On the contrary, nearly all free programs are open source, and most open source programs are free. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html and https://gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html. Isn't it unnecessary hard on them to not be able to talk about > non-free software? For mailing lists to have specified topics is normal and necessary. I am sure they can learn to live with that. Isn't it also a limitation on GNU software itself if > it can't be used in such cases as well as further inclination for > development of non-free software? Golly, what a misunderstanding. These rules are about GNU mailing lists, not about using your MUA (whichever one that may be). -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)