From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2poqehh.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="65731"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 41386@debbugs.gnu.org To: Thomas Fitzsimmons Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 21 05:58:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbcLS-000H0E-Um for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 May 2020 05:58:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46468 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbcLR-0003wH-Vb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:58:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9i-00085j-UR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9i-00047L-Jn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9i-0000KD-Gv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:46:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 03:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41386 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41386-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41386.15900327411216 (code B ref 41386); Thu, 21 May 2020 03:46:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41386) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2020 03:45:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54940 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9M-0000JY-Ts for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9L-0000JL-48 for 41386@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9F-00040M-7f; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jbc9E-0007FT-90; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thomas Fitzsimmons on Wed, 20 May 2020 12:16:16 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180697 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] It seems to me that the requirement for a secret key in a user program is fundamentally incompatible with free software. A free system cannot keep secrets from the user. However, if Google is willing to leave a space to use free clients, something could be worked out. First I have to finish studying all this. I will send mail now to fetch those articles. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)