From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video] Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <70bb51fd-447d-928c-4d69-1c9673a44471@online.de> <55fd40f2-0468-d724-425d-c28c9d17b301@online.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="72527"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: andreas.roehler@online.de, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: excalamus@tutanota.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 05:18:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQsF-000Ikq-9T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 05:18:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37738 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQsE-0007b7-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45736) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQqS-00058q-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQqR-0007CD-Uv; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQqQ-0007xH-KX; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:17:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (emacs-devel@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250316 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] This is a good start. Overall, I like it. I would suggest systematically changing the passive voice to active, except where there is some specific reason to use passive. We try to avoid making a habit of passive voice. > enabling far more than simple insertion > + and deletion of characters.  With it, you can operate on words or > + lines, sentences or paragraphs, even whole pages.  These particular feaures may not be worth mentioning nowadays. Some other editors can operate on words and lines. > - As brought up in the "GNU Emacs Raison d'etre" thread, it > - appears "We love GNU Emacs because we feel that no other editing > - environment rewards sustained user investment quite like it."  I > - buried this in the last paragraph because it flowed.  I like the way you mentioned it. I don't agree that this is Emacs's "raison d'etre", but saying that we love Emacs because of this is valid. > https://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~monnier/hopl-4-emacs-lisp.pdf > - Real-time editor is used differently here than it appears to have meant in 1976.  I have used it here as shorthand for "without having to restart Emacs". In regard to Emacs, "real-time editor" means that the text changes immediately as you type characters. This contrasts with line-based editors such as Basic's editor, and command-string input editors such as TECO. Nowadays this is the usual way, so I agree it is not worth mentioning here. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)