From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Namespaces - summary, conclusion Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 09:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="48606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 15:13:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVauo-000CXe-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 15:13:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47790 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVaun-0005l3-PL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34294) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVauA-000590-7e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVau9-0006Oz-SL; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVau7-0007xr-SM; Mon, 04 May 2020 09:13:04 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Philippe Vaucher on Mon, 4 May 2020 14:42:58 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248813 Archived-At: > > Given this is more or less the position held by Alan, Eli, Richard, > > Drew and João I think the chances of seeing new aliases is close to 0. > > This is not my conclusion. I've seen several calls to move away from > from discussing in the abstract to discuss specific, concrete > examples. I think this is a good idea, since IMHO the abstract > discussion is likely exhausted. > > There is always the chance that some of the proposals will be voted > down. But also consider that some who have disagreed with you in the > abstract might be more convinced by specific, concrete proposals. That too is my understanding of the discussion. So far the string- proposal got shot down entirely. The regexp one was initially a no-go from Alan but I then Richard kinda liked it and proposed adaptations. @Stefan Monnier: I see that you talked about `multibyte-string-p` already (and iirc that didn't went well. You talked earlier about `process-`, maybe you'd like to propose some changes there? Personally, I think there are way too many half proposal -- by which I mean one suggests something to see if it is OK, but without any reasoning towards _why_ it is a good idea -- on doing way to many changes for a very negligible benefit. Such overwhelming changes will most surely be shot down quickly. I mean I'm willing to propose concrete changes but if it's not obvious for string- and regexp- why would it be for other topics? Let's try another topic just to see: rename-file -> file-rename delete-file -> file-delete copy-file -> file-copy These functions are also interactive, where it is far more natural to want to rename/delete/copy a file, than ... a file renamed/deleted/copied. expand-file-name -> file-expand-name You're expanding a file name, so the name seems to fit the task.