From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:14:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="53902"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ndame Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 05:16:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5s3-000DwG-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:16:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40268 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5s2-0002nW-PR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49724) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5qQ-0000Bx-JT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5qQ-0003lp-B4; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5qP-0001S1-65; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:14:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from ndame on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:27:14 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247486 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The solution mentioned earlier in the thread can work well: Emacs defaults > stay Emacs-like to satisfy the veterans, but if a new user downloads > emacs and starts it without a config file then an optional initial config is > prominently offered which can ease the transition for new users, make emacs > less alien, more similar to existing systems. I agree this could be a good thing if it is done well. It would be nice to make it easy for a user's configuration to select this alternate interface even after making a nontrivial .emacs file and specifying other parameters. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)