From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs rendering comparisson between emacs23 and emacs26.3 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <834ku43c61.fsf@gnu.org> <83k12zz6ds.fsf@gnu.org> <054393f3-3873-ab6e-b325-0eca354d8838@gmx.at> <20200403174757.GA8266@ACM> <20200405111623.GB5049@ACM> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="52812"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, eliz@gnu.org, rrandresf@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 06 04:37:16 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jLHdU-000Dfu-8r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 04:37:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53902 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jLHdT-0008IB-9F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58727) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jLHce-00072A-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jLHcd-0003DE-Sh; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jLHcc-00059C-Oo; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:36:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200405111623.GB5049@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sun, 5 Apr 2020 11:16:23 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:246503 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > This assumption proved to be very problematic. > > Problematic for whom? > Well, for me for a start. If it causes a problem only for you personally as a maintainer, I am sure we could find a way to spare you from spending time on this. But we are miscommunicating completely. I assumed you meant "problematically for some people who are doing some kinds of things with Emacs", and I would like to know what kinds of things they are. The answer that is crucial for deciding whether this problem ought to have been "fixed" or not. > Suppose open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start is non-nil, and we have > something like: > { > /* foo > (but bar > */ > } > ^ > point Now I see the scenario. Indeed, with open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start non-nil, some users would regard the resulting behavior as a problem. I do not see how this constitutes a reason to deliminate that option. Why is that better than the obvious response: to tell the user, Either delate that open-paren, or indent it, or set open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start to nil. Does someone want to present an argument leading to the conclusion that it was better to deactivate that variable? > I think I meant that, given their validity, it is up to us as Emacs > developers to arrange that they don't cause trouble, rather than > expecting our users to insert these obtrusive backslashes. Why assume that the one recommended way to edit the buffer to avoid the confusion is inserting a backslash? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)