From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38696: "If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87eewyr1f4.8.fsf@jidanni.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="141474"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 38696@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 05:15:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ijbbJ-000aey-Fl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:15:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35882 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijbbI-00028R-8y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:15:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33342) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijba7-0001UD-VE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:14:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijba6-0006Fo-SB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:14:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijba6-0006F6-PM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijba6-00061v-I8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:14:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 04:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38696 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38696.157716083723159 (code B ref 38696); Tue, 24 Dec 2019 04:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2019 04:13:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijba1-00061T-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:13:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50899) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijbZy-00061G-Tx for 38696@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:13:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39074) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijbZt-0005c3-3C; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ijbZr-0000XT-GX; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:13:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173697 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But that's not the likeliest scenario. The real, > more likely problem is that you make a change to > this code and later Customize overwrites your > change - and you might not be aware of that. We could make Customize detect hand-editing by looking at the value in .emacs and determining that it doesn't have a format Customize could ever write? Or we could the comment say, "If you want to edit this value by hand, delete this comment." Customize could interpret the absence of that comment as meaning the value has been hand-edited. Either way, Customize could then report a problem and offer a choice of (1) deleting the value in the file, or (2) quitting. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)