From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:20:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> <20191122020855.GA4085@ACM> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="94728"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 14:21:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYVLk-000OUT-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:21:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58858 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYVLj-0002cY-2V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:21:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYVL9-0002cI-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:20:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59214) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYVL9-0002HD-2j; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:20:43 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iYVL7-0006rV-Uf; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:20:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20191122020855.GA4085@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:08:55 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242645 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > My point was that we should not encourage our users to submit to the > abuses of Google, Facebook et al. by facilitating the access to our > services to those who do so. That would indeed be endorsement of them. You have said it very clearly. Thank you. If you (whoever you are) as a developer wish to do some of your development work on MacOS, or do email through Gmail, we don't object. For the former, we may not even notice. That is your own personal activity, and we don't make rules about that. However, the issue here is whether the GNU Project should put certain services on a list to be singled out for special positive treatment. We will not do that with any service unless we consider it fully ethical. Apple, Google and Facebook do not qualify. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)