From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36678: 27.0.50; imenu not working in C++ (maybe because of namespace) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20190717163427.18177.qmail@mail.muc.de> <20190731155610.x33urisumbblyryu@Ergus> <20190802193315.GC11966@ACM> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="73418"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: acm@muc.de, spacibba@aol.com, 36678@debbugs.gnu.org To: psmith@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 03 04:26:52 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htjkx-000J01-V1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 04:26:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38238 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htjkw-0000y9-LJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:26:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htjkF-0000xu-0P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:26:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htjkD-0003gD-4R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htjkA-0003dO-4o; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htjk9-00047D-To; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:26:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bug-cc-mode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 02:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36678 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,cc-mode Original-Received: via spool by 36678-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36678.156479914615796 (code B ref 36678); Sat, 03 Aug 2019 02:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36678) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Aug 2019 02:25:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58090 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htjjt-00046i-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:25:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htjjs-00046V-Ae for 36678@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:25:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htjji-0003R1-Ia; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:25:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1htjjb-0002eO-Fo; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:25:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Paul Smith on Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:56:59 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164409 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The future (again IMO) for indexing and code introspection is in LSP: > there are very good LSP servers for C++ that are free (I use ccls > personally) and there are also very good LSP clients for Emacs (I use > lsp-mode). Using a server to do your ocmputing job is bad for your freedom (unless it's your own server). We call it Service as a Software Substitute (https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html). Since you don't control the code running someone else's service. it is never "free" the way a program can be free. It's not a solution, it's a problem. > And of course there are LSP servers for many languages > which can all be used with the same LSP client. Since the servers are > external (ccls is based on clang) That is not a moral issue but it is something we don't want to support. Let's make GNU Emacs do a better job of this. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)