From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 07:02:06 +0200 Organization: GNU's NOT Unix! Message-ID: References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <86y32sc6mq.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="244907"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 29 07:02:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hVqjP-0011Xu-PH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:02:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVqjO-0006zc-PC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 01:02:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVqj3-0006y7-Ma for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 01:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVqj2-0003C0-OT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 01:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from 129.ip-51-38-48.eu ([51.38.48.129]:56364 helo=maillard.im) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVqj2-0003A8-4W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 01:02:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=maillard.im; s=mail; t=1559106126; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:to:to: cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=l5MniSP2ZVd0joimBDhPEdmgwDr30zoLJYw2BDMYyu4=; b=ZsyqtS+VX/sLZKmeMJQRV9Edy3ONjE7VOA6udkaQb2oOVpKQ5IOt0rzRIp4zSb+1Qc3Sv0 NkPkttuTfTogpW3BQYEyVaLvFI0C/3TNK8HT3C/4p7+CN5Jl2SSYI8baiN5M5Mm6u4oV3e sXg/+j0Tux60UUI4Ocwsx+MnIIoQ17g= In-Reply-To: <86y32sc6mq.fsf@zoho.eu> (message from Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs on Mon, 27 May 2019 16:30:05 +0200) Jabber-ID: xavier@maillard.im X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 51.38.48.129 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120687 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 16:30:05 +0200 > From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs >=20 > =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: >=20 > > The really big problem is that Emacs no > > longer compete on areas were it used to bring > > the largest gains. Other editors largely > > surpassed Emacs' gains while requiring > > less effort. >=20 > :) >=20 > Big problem! GNU Emacs has no need to be competitive IMO. As I am okay living right into emacs buffers, I do not need to compare it with competitors. YMMV. > I guess in particular those who are appealed to > Lisp and those who look for a one-program > interface to the whole computer, and those who > enjoy and have time to do endless tweaking with > their software and want to be able to do so in > an easy and unified way... I, for years, constantly was tweaking my .emacs for hours and hours. As to my surprise, I did not get the job done ;) THat was quite fun but, in the end, that was pretty conter-productive. My new mantra: resist to the extension appeal ! Limit yourself to the bare minimum. Surprinsingly, it works. I doubt powerusers have tons of them installed and worst, I even doubt their .emacs are huge. That's why having good default and stick with them is so important and thus, having stable standards is so important to old men like me ;) --=20 Xavier Maillard =20 e/j:xavier@maillard.im w:www.maillard.im m: 06 52 18 63 43 (old) m: 06 49 60 48 56 (NEW) GPG: 9983 DCA1 1FAC 8DA7 653A F9AA BA49 09B7 8F04 DE1B