From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32722: [O] bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr> <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org> <87va73gn90.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h8ilfz6o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537408154 17712 195.159.176.226 (20 Sep 2018 01:49:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: n@flqt.fr, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, 32722@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Nicolas Goaziou Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 20 03:49:09 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o5d-0004SA-J7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7j-00029Y-Nr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7X-00028T-Pd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7W-0007LW-LR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7S-00074k-CZ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7S-0000sZ-8q; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32722 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,org-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32722-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32722.15374082463357 (code B ref 32722); Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32722) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2018 01:50:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7C-0000s5-1u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7A-0000ro-Jh for 32722@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o74-0006WI-B3 for 32722@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48923) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o6y-0006Mq-Em; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o6s-0008PG-JL; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h8ilfz6o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (message from Nicolas Goaziou on Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:29:19 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150466 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The crucial question here is whether Mobile.org is free software. If it is not, then GNU packages including their documentation should not mention it at all. See the chapter References in the GNU Coding Standards. What is the source license of Mobile.org? Does Mobile.org for Android link with any nonfree libraries, such as Google Play Library? Is it listed in f-droid.org? I don't think it is possible to have free apps for the iMonsters. This is because iOS does not allow users to install modified versions of apps, even if the app's source is released under a free license. Another issue is the suggestion to use DropBox. Normal use of Dropbox involves running nonfree JS software (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html), so we cannot recommend using Dropbox in the normal way. If there is a way to use Dropbox (for those operations that are necessary in this context) without running any nonfree client software, it would be ok to recommend using Dropbox _in that way_. (The operations necessary in this context must include creating an account.) However, the text you showed me does not include such a specific recommendation, so we have to eliminate it. We could reinsert the discussion of Dropbox if and when someone writes text to recommend a suitable specific way to use it. > [fn:146] An alternative is to use a WebDAV server. MobileOrg > documentation has details of WebDAV server configuration. Additional > help is at this [[https://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#mobileorg_webdav][FAQ entry]]. Is this a way to use MobileOrg without Dropbox? Is the WebDAV server code free software? Can you talk to such a server without any nonfree client software? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)