From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:13:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536383562 30445 195.159.176.226 (8 Sep 2018 05:12:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 05:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 08 07:12:37 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVXw-0007nX-3S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 07:12:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41328 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVa0-0001Tf-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:14:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50233) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVZm-0001Rt-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVZf-0001UZ-KV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVYU-0005rm-Da; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:13:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fyVYU-0003oq-5d; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:13:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Noam Postavsky on Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:32:54 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229472 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] It seems to me that the people who like delete-selection-mode are those who are used to some similar behavior in some other editor and have not truly got used to Emacs. They have two possible paths to follow: get used to Emacs, or stay in the middle. We can provide various features to make Emacs serve each group. But here we have a proposal to make the defaults serve cater primarily to those who don't want to get used to Emacs, rather than those who want to get used to Emacs, and also at the expense of experienced Emacs users. I am against making delete-selection-mode the default. However, there might be some way of helping new users choose this and other settings based on whether they want to truly get used to Emacs or just use it occasionally. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)