From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A couple of questions and concerns about Emacs network security Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20180705093346.071e6970@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83wou9n66t.fsf@gnu.org> <20180705112920.076265d5@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r2khms1j.fsf@gnu.org> <20180705164500.0bde16cd@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83bmbknafs.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530918437 7132 195.159.176.226 (6 Jul 2018 23:07:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 23:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, wyuenho@gmail.com, perry@piermont.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 07 01:07:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZok-0001gH-Uj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2018 01:07:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZqq-00076z-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZqk-00076u-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:09:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZqj-0006u0-8N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:09:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZqV-0006Xh-5N; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:08:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fbZqU-00060y-Jp; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:08:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83bmbknafs.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:29:59 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:227026 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think we should assume people generally know whether thugs with > torture chambers might be after them. I agree, provided we encourage them to ask themselves the question. Until a dictatorship gets totally and openly vicious, people have a tendency to think things like, "They couldn't possibly consider me important enough to do that to me." So it would be good to ask a question that would lead people to think about this, dismissing that tendency. I see no reason to assume each > and every Emacs user is in this situation, and I see no reason to > annoy each and every Emacs user with alerts and prompts based on that > assumption. I agree. But we should ask each Emacs user to think about whether perse needs this level of security. We should not turn it off by default. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)