From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:29:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528154947 17138 195.159.176.226 (4 Jun 2018 23:29:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aminb@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 05 01:29:02 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPyuM-0004N0-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:29:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPywR-0001cD-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34090) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPyvX-0001bV-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPyvW-0004ij-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPyvB-00047K-5U; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fPyv9-0005Am-6l; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:29:51 -0400 In-reply-to: <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:30:09 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226015 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I thought that GNU projects are rather in the intersection of "free > software" (in FSF sense) and open-source. That sentence confuses me. Every GNU package satisfies the practical criterion of open source. However, "open source" also stands for ideas which disagree deeply with the ideas of the free software movement. (That was no accident: it was intended for that purpose.) Thus, simply describing a GNU package as "open source" is likely to give people a very clear, but incorrect, idea of what we're trying to do. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)