From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: update intro to Emacs Lisp programming Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <80DB6796-41FE-4090-B1DD-BF5AE3F4D0CF@scratch.space> <83zi16ofny.fsf@gnu.org> <6A8BB190-FA64-4697-AFDA-EFBEB4886230@scratch.space> <90addb33-6797-b203-4a67-a2a6c201bd81@cs.ucla.edu> <97CEED22-57CE-4715-9239-1557F38AD994@gmail.com> <376AD40E-4EEC-4DC6-ADDA-4E594EAFE1DE@gmail.com> <87bmddvvj8.fsf@mbork.pl> <87in7juhc6.fsf@mbork.pl> <5C62F3FC-7B77-43E5-A907-4060DA0E0219@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526875778 11440 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2018 04:09:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 04:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 06:09:33 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc8a-0002rs-M8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 06:09:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKcAh-0000hm-Pk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40559) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKcAY-0000gY-WD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKcAX-0006iT-V8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKcAW-0006hj-Cs; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fKcAV-0006u8-CT; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:11:31 -0400 In-reply-to: <5C62F3FC-7B77-43E5-A907-4060DA0E0219@gmail.com> (message from Jean-Christophe Helary on Sun, 20 May 2018 15:54:37 +0900) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225503 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > What I was saying was that in the 80's-90's, ie before computing > became widespread thanks to common access to the internet, books > needed to be self contained. The Emacs Lisp intro should still be self-contained. It should not depend on reference to anything across the internet, since the person reading may not have an internet connection at the time of coming across the reference. Wen people are reading printed copies, the book should not say, "To understand the next section, first read something else on your computer". For ethical reasons, we don't cite any nonfree material as documentation. We don't refer to anything on Youtube, ever, since viewing Youtube in a browser entails running nonfree Javascript code and it is an injustice to suggets people use that. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.