From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:26:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <87sh998qb8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r2orznl5.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520810766 20517 195.159.176.226 (11 Mar 2018 23:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, dancol@dancol.org, raeburn@raeburn.org, rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 12 00:26:01 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1evALp-0005CT-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:26:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evANs-0006PQ-Dz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60238) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evANl-0006P4-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evANk-0003my-Is for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evAMd-0003LI-Jl; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:26:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1evAMd-0000ap-5B; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:26:51 -0400 In-reply-to: <87r2orznl5.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223631 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > No, I think not. Consider this scenario. I start editing some text on > google docs with a collaborator; after a while we export the doc into > word, share this with Dropbox, then eventually one person takes it over. > Is this text really not a document till we download it? With all due respect, I think you're disputing a misunderstanding. As far as I know, what people edit with Google Docs is a document. It can be copied to a computer (though doing so requires running nonfree software) and viewed or edited there. Google Docs is a service for storing documents that is designed for editing them using nonfree software. > All of which gets back what I think was the point of the OP; Emacs would > be a better tool if it supported the web. We've been having intense > discussions about widget toolkits; what about a web-delivered Emacs? What exactly would that mean? Could you describe the scenario by giving names or letters to each of the computers involved, and saying what job each computer does? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.