From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The name gnus-cloud.el Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878te75xa1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ind6l2tt.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877etklvsa.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83y3m0pv8u.fsf@gnu.org> <83h8snpew2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513875027 19128 195.159.176.226 (21 Dec 2017 16:50:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 21 17:50:23 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eS433-0004Tl-AD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:50:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58959 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eS44y-0006c9-Op for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:52:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eS43a-0006Zw-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:50:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eS43Z-0001Um-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:50:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eS43X-0001TZ-IF; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eS43O-00087S-CY; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:50:42 -0500 In-reply-to: <83h8snpew2.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 19 Dec 2017 05:37:01 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221304 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > In this case, I cannot for the life of me understand what's all the > fuss about. "Cloud" is just a word, and there's nothing wrong with it > per se. The problem is in the expression "cloud computing". It is a bogus generalization whose use spreads confusion. > We are not talking about cloud computing, It makes no sense to "talk about cloud computing" because "cloud computing" doesn't have a coherent meaning. It is a confused overgeneraligation. When people think they are "talking about cloud computing", that means they are under the confusion of the overgeneraligation. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing for explanation of how that expression does harm. we are talking about using the word itself. In this context, "cloud" means that something "uses cloud computing". It could be different in another context. For instance, in a program for weather forecasting, "cloud" might refer to a meteorological phenomenon. That would not spread any confusion about computing practices. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.