From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Pertinent NEWS parts for the Emacs 26 manual draft Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83mv5d95sg.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506722152 5440 195.159.176.226 (29 Sep 2017 21:55:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 29 23:55:48 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3G4-0000mB-JE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 23:55:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37196 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3GB-0006wg-Lt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39712) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3Fd-0006wX-Bx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3Fc-0004dX-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3Fc-0004d8-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dy3Fb-0002S0-Lk; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:55:15 -0400 In-reply-to: <83mv5d95sg.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:07:43 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218953 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Would someone please look at the NEWS files for Emacs 26, Emacs 25 and > > Emacs 24 and extract the parts that are relevant to the Emacs manual? > > > > THe parts to include are those about changes in user commands and > > user-visible behavior, but excluding changes in modes that are not > > documented in the Emacs manual (which is most of them). > Maybe I misunderstand, but don't the "+++" markers in NEWS already > tell that? Whether the +++ markings are a reliable guide depends on the state of work on NEWS. They might not yet have been put in; they might have been removed. An item might have a --- instead, put there because someone mistakenly thought that item isn't pertinent to the Emacs Manual. Supposing that at present all pertineny items have a +++ marking, they don't necessarily refer to the Emacs Manual; some indicate that a feature has been documented in the Emacs Lisp Manual. But even that isn't the deepest point here. Let's suppose that the items with +++ are exactly the items a reviewer of the Emacs Manual shoulod look at. Is that equivalent to what I've asked for? Absolutely not! This is not a math exercise, this is making it easy for others to do a job we are asking them to do. With +++ you can (maybe) find the pertinent parts, if you know the rules and you think about it. With the filtered NEWS file, you could find them effortlessly. Please let's make this effortless, to encourage people to check parts of the Emacs Manual. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.