From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <878txa9zvx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486159175 12785 195.159.176.226 (3 Feb 2017 21:59:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 21:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 22:59:31 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZltD-0003Af-Re for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 22:59:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZltJ-0004ee-EK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZlt9-0004dB-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZlt8-00067b-PA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:27 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZlt7-000679-Fd; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cZlt7-0000eF-0a; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:59:25 -0500 In-reply-to: <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:45:46 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211943 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It's not Mike Gerwitz specifically, but the reality is > that there is a vast majority of free software advocates that uses > websites without concern for the Javascript licenses. It is true that most of them do this. That is why it is vital for the FSF to spread the message that this is a bad thing to do. In order to do that without being hypocritical, we have to set an example of doing what we say is right. > So the *FSF > principles* that are in reality not observed are blocking a vitally > important way for the *GNU Emacs project* Distributing docker images is hardly a vital issue. But this is not about whether to distribute docker images; we can certainly do that one way or another. This is just about _how_ to distribute them. Developing GNU Emacs is a part of the GNU Project. Winning freedom, defeating proprietary injustice, is its purpose. That's why I wrote GNU Emacs in the first place. You don't seem to value this purpose very much, so you resent that it is the basis for our decisions. But that has to be the basis. > Look, principled opposition taken to an extreme is self-defeating. > Imagine if vegans refused to *visit* vegetarians' houses and breathe > their air because they are not pure enough. Aside from the visible exaggeration, it's a bad analogy. For a better analogy, imagine that the habitants of those houses demanded that every visitor eat some meat at the door in order to be allowed in. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.