* Grave ethical problem in MELPA
@ 2016-08-12 4:37 Richard Stallman
2016-08-12 5:27 ` Chad Brown
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2016-08-12 4:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel
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I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software:
> The navigational buttons do nothing while the rest of what would
> show on the homepage without LibreJS deactivated is absent.
This is unethical and works directly against what we say. Does anyone
here know the site maintainers well enough to convince them to fix
this?
Please respond if you can try.
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Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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* Re: Grave ethical problem in MELPA
2016-08-12 4:37 Grave ethical problem in MELPA Richard Stallman
@ 2016-08-12 5:27 ` Chad Brown
2016-08-12 5:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-08-12 13:22 ` LibreJS doesn't detect free software licenses with 100% accuracy (was: Grave ethical problem in MELPA) Clément Pit--Claudel
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From: Chad Brown @ 2016-08-12 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel
> On 11 Aug 2016, at 21:37, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software:
>
>> The navigational buttons do nothing while the rest of what would
>> show on the homepage without LibreJS deactivated is absent.
>
> This is unethical and works directly against what we say. Does anyone
> here know the site maintainers well enough to convince them to fix
> this?
>
> Please respond if you can try.
The melpa site includes two links at the bottom of the page, one to the source of the page, and one to “Javascript license information”. The second one goes to:
http://melpa.org/jslicense.html
This page is totally viewable in eww, and all of the licenses on it seem to be compatible with the GPL according to:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html
That said, I imagine that there might be some troubles with LibreJS identifying javascript libraries correctly; I’ve heard comments that suggest that LibreJS is imperfect at this job so far.
I don’t use the melpa web site anymore myself, and I don’t have any particular connection to the maintainers there myself.
Hope this helps,
~Chad
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* Re: Grave ethical problem in MELPA
2016-08-12 4:37 Grave ethical problem in MELPA Richard Stallman
2016-08-12 5:27 ` Chad Brown
@ 2016-08-12 5:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-08-12 8:09 ` Uwe Brauer
2016-08-13 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2016-08-12 13:22 ` LibreJS doesn't detect free software licenses with 100% accuracy (was: Grave ethical problem in MELPA) Clément Pit--Claudel
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From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2016-08-12 5:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: rms, emacs-devel
On 08/12/2016 07:37 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software:
This statement is untrue, and we've discussed this before on this list.
> This is unethical and works directly against what we say. Does anyone
> here know the site maintainers well enough to convince them to fix
> this?
They have an issue filed to have their site work with LibreJS:
https://github.com/melpa/melpa/issues/3731
From reading the comments, they've contacted the LibreJS maintainer,
and there had been some positive exchange. I don't know whether any
problems remain, and why.
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* Re: Grave ethical problem in MELPA
2016-08-12 5:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2016-08-12 8:09 ` Uwe Brauer
2016-08-13 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2016-08-12 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel
>>> "Dmitry" == Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
> On 08/12/2016 07:37 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software:
> This statement is untrue, and we've discussed this before on this list.
I agree, I just have added
(add-to-list 'package-archives
'("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/") t)
To my init file and can use MELPA without any fancy java script business.
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* LibreJS doesn't detect free software licenses with 100% accuracy (was: Grave ethical problem in MELPA)
2016-08-12 4:37 Grave ethical problem in MELPA Richard Stallman
2016-08-12 5:27 ` Chad Brown
2016-08-12 5:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2016-08-12 13:22 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
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From: Clément Pit--Claudel @ 2016-08-12 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel
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On 2016-08-12 00:37, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software:
>
> > The navigational buttons do nothing while the rest of what would
> > show on the homepage without LibreJS deactivated is absent.
>
> This is unethical and works directly against what we say. Does anyone
> here know the site maintainers well enough to convince them to fix
> this?
Richard, why do you keep coming back to this? The MELPA website *does not* require running non-free software. I don't think it ever did, and there doesn't seem to be plans for it to ever do. The people who run MELPA are providing excellent service to the entire Emacs community, in a way that aligns entirely with what we say.
Let's please stop equating "doesn't work with LibreJS" and "isn't free software". The quote you give only proves that the MELPA website doesn't work with LibreJS. (Which is hardly an issue, btw: you don't need to browse this website to download packages from MELPA)
Clément.
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* Re: Grave ethical problem in MELPA
2016-08-12 5:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-08-12 8:09 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2016-08-13 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2016-08-13 5:11 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: emacs-devel
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> The melpa site includes two links at the bottom of the page, one to the source of the page, and one to “Javascript license information”. The second one goes to:
> http://melpa.org/jslicense.html
> This page is totally viewable in eww, and all of the licenses on it seem to be compatible with the GPL according to:
I stand corrected. Someone reported the problem to me
and I didn't remember the previous discussion.
> They have an issue filed to have their site work with LibreJS:
> https://github.com/melpa/melpa/issues/3731
I am glad to hear that.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.
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