From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87eg7f13re.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467844298 18103 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 22:31:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rswgnu@gmail.com, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nikolai Weibull Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 00:31:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvLn-00009H-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 00:31:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36122 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvLm-00024E-FQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51891) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvL7-00023U-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:30:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvL6-0005gu-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:30:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41444) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvL2-0005el-Et; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:30:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvL1-0001VM-8G; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:30:35 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Nikolai Weibull on Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:12:00 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205290 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Why would you want to convert a todo list into HTML or PDF? > > I just don't see the utility. > To share it with others in paper form. I have never wanted to do that with my todo lists. I just don't see the utility of doing it. If you find it useful, by all means do it. I am not arguing that you shouldn't be able to do this, or that Emacs shouldn't facilitate it. If you are trying to argue with me about that, you're missing the point. Rather, I am an example of many users (I'm sure we are many) who don't want to print out our todo lists, and the point is this: with us, building a mode for editing todo lists on top of something for printing out formatted files is unnatural. I think the todo editing features should be presented as someting simple and self-contained. If they also work with structured editing designed for export, I see nothing wrong with that. But they should not be presented to users as something based on the structured editing for export. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.