From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:24:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87eg7f13re.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467843965 13439 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 22:26:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 00:25:55 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvGT-0004yg-05 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 00:25:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36106 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvGS-0005yS-DV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:25:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46319) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvFQ-0005Tm-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvFO-0001Ea-8g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41251) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvFE-00011X-5H; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvFB-00067n-PX; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:24:33 -0400 In-reply-to: (joakim@verona.se) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205288 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > One way of viewing org, is that it is a document preparation system like > Latex. Or, a programming language. Or, a wiki like system. That's exactly the problem: Org mode's purpose is not conceptually coherent. If it were separated into different facilities, each one with a simple purpose, and _each facility documented separately_, this particular problem would be gone. > Users of org, such as me, like to have all the features of the org > language available to us while we work on org files. If they were different facilities, each facility with a simple purpose and each documented separately, they could still work together, so you would still have all these facilities available for a certain file when that's what you want. We wouldn't think of that as an "Org file". We would think of it as a file in which you are using features A, B and C together. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.