From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87eg7f13re.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87oa6cawmp.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467843778 10707 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 22:22:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kaushal.modi@gmail.com, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 00:22:48 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvDT-00034h-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 00:22:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36080 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvDS-0003wF-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44145) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvDK-0003u8-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvDJ-0007ZJ-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvDB-0007Wc-AU; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKvD8-0005hy-Dx; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:22:26 -0400 In-reply-to: <87oa6cawmp.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:16:14 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205285 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > For instance, I prepare my blog entries in some Org file. Each entry is > at the same time a TODO item, with todo keywords TODO, READY and DONE > ("READY" means ready for publishing, "DONE" means published). Each > entry has also a "LOGBOOK drawer", which is normally hidden, with > clocking (= time-tracking) information. All in one place. This is > beautiful. It doesn't seem like a natural approach for me. I'm glad it is useful for you. Printing a todo list seems like a strange and unusual thing to want to do. I expect few Emacs users will want to do that. So I'd rather offer a todo mode which can be described in a self-contained way and doesn't talk about embedding or exporting. This doesn't mean it shouldn't allow embedding and exporting. There's no harm if it supports those, for the sake of users like you that want to use those features together. But users thinking of using a todo mode shouldn't have to learn about those other things. Is it possible to make a todo mode variant of Org mode, and document that in a way that mentions only the features of basic todo list editing? (No mention of exporting or Babyl.) In other words, it would not tell users, "Here's one of the great things you can do with Org mode" but rather "Here's how to edit Todo lists"? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.