From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9c9lqll.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <83d1mwtt04.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467504496 29694 80.91.229.3 (3 Jul 2016 00:08:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 02:08:08 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUxD-0003b2-RB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 02:08:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40544 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUxC-00058V-TO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:08:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37499) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUvb-00044p-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:06:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUvZ-0007lb-NI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:06:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUvP-0007g7-Ny; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:06:15 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bJUvN-0005Mi-7V; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 20:06:13 -0400 In-reply-to: <83d1mwtt04.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 02 Jul 2016 10:10:35 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205097 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The second best way to add them to Emacs, > > in case they did not fit into Mail mode, > > would have been to make an alternate mail-sending mode, > > as an independent feature. > As life would have it, we've already done this: Message mode, which > came from Gnus, is now the default mail-composing mode in Emacs. The crucial words are "as an independent feature". message.el was not developed as an independent feature. It was developed as a part of Gnus, and it was tied in with Gnus. Is that still the case? I think so. The source code for message is still in the gnus directory, and I think it is still maintained outside Emacs along with Gnus. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.