From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <831t3fx5pu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467230752 26264 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2016 20:05:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 22:05:47 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bILjy-0005cZ-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:05:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bILjx-0007lf-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:05:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bILj9-0007lX-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bILj7-0008LV-Mn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:04:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bILj6-0008JS-4r; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:04:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bILj4-0007GB-2e; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:04:46 -0400 In-reply-to: <831t3fx5pu.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:30:53 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204946 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] You've done a good job of explaining a part of the problem. I think that is a consequence of a bigger point: that various facilities are presented as _part of_ Org mode. Maybe some of these facilities could actually work without using Org mode as such. But it is inconvenient that they are _presented_ as part of Org mode. It appears that some of these facilities can't work at all apart from Org mode. Now, imagine that instead of Org mode we had a library of common commands for structure editing modes. They might perhaps be the same commands that Org mode has now. But suppose this were something for various modes to use -- just as various read-only modes use SPC and DEL for scrolling, but more so. That could have the same useful similarities, without the drawback. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.