From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87a8ijreus.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466273221 23760 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2016 18:07:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rswgnu@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, mats.lidell@cag.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 20:06:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdw-0000hS-FP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:06:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35933 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdu-0001Gt-PL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdn-0001Gb-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdl-0005FQ-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37205) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdV-0005CU-U8; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:25 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKdT-0004U8-Jx; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:23 -0400 In-reply-to: <87a8ijreus.fsf@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:53:47 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204482 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Org Mode, like Emacs, requires a fair amount of investment on the > part of the user before the rewards arrive. Once the rewards > finally start arriving, the investment becomes worth it -- but > until until then, one makes the effort on faith. That may be true, but I stand by what I said. It is fine to have a structured editing mode, but it was bad design to make other facilities depend on it in this way. That makes a distortion in the overall design of Emacs. The other facilities should be separate things, even if they can work with the structured editing mode. Even if they ALWAYS use the structured editing mode, they should be separate as far as the user is concerned, not "part of" it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.