From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87egc7evu3.fsf@gnus.org> <83io1jpt4u.fsf@gnu.org> <87povqhj25.fsf@gnus.org> <87povqe5tr.fsf@gnus.org> <87ziuta4l4.fsf@gnus.org> <87y4adzcia.fsf@gnus.org> <83twl0k1k5.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2lvi99c.fsf@gnu.org> <83oab6gfiw.fsf@gnu.org> <878u29x8vl.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83ziuncpch.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwecztu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456602842 12861 80.91.229.3 (27 Feb 2016 19:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, larsi@gnus.org, johnw@gnu.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 27 20:53:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkw3-00009G-O3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:53:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56087 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkw3-0003CO-Ba for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkvn-0002sV-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkvm-0005Ap-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:35 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkva-00052t-BL; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:22 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkvZ-0007Pc-Hs; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:53:21 -0500 In-reply-to: <83fuwecztu.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 27 Feb 2016 10:38:53 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200724 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The simplest change would be to have character-folding disabled by > default in some European locales whose users expressed objections to ... Why not implement what I suggested? Even though there are several levels, in each case they boil down into a set of classes of characters, each one either symmetric or asymmetric. Once that calculation is done, we can search for them with the existing mechanism. > That is, we > can't expect to make a single decision up front, but will need feedback from > users in every country that uses Emacs, in order to determine what the correct > settings are for each language? Right. Once we show it to people, we will start getting language-specific definitions. > And what about a Swedish speaker living in America who uses en_US because > that's what 90% of his text is in, who then wants to search some Swedish text? > Is it the locale that determines it, or something specific to the nature of > the text in each buffer? And how would Emacs know? Clearly we need to provide a way to set the language for each buffer. We need this for several purposes, another one being the ispell dictionary. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.