From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Current discussion Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:25 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444596606 15375 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2015 20:50:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:50:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 22:49:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZ0-000767-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:49:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49700 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZ0-0004cM-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49987) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYd-0004at-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYc-0001Vo-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYc-0001Vd-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYb-0006Z5-Pq; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:25 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191269 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] In dealing with Emacs and GCC I am trying to prevent several problems of different kinds, that come from different directions. They could be worse than the lack of an IDE in Emacs. Many of the people now arguing do not care about some of these problems. Rather than recognize that I am acting rationally in a very difficult situation, they are treating me with contempt, in effect treating the GNU Project (which GNU Emacs as part of) as an obstacle to their goals. This is closed-minded as well as disrespectful. Some are saying, "Give up, it's hopeless to avoid those problems," but I suspect that is their wishful thinking. They want me to give up trying so they claim it is hopeless. I will not give in to this pressure. However, I also do not want to reflexively do the opposite (as I would emotionally tend to do). I want to make a good decision after careful thought. If some of those problems really can't be avoided, I don't want to make useless sacrifices to do so. On the other hand, I don't want to conclude it is useless because nay-sayers claim it is useless. The way to do this is to discuss the issue with a few people, privately, who will pay attention to the problems and help me find the best course. Eli, can you join in? John Wiegley, how about you? I would want to ask one of the GCC developers to participate, and also someone who is an expert on IDEs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.