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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 21:28:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ZYlEH-0002rp-6d@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E5FBA8.3090807@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Tue,  1 Sep 2015 12:25:28 -0700)

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     > * English phrases, e.g., `close in spirit', `things'.

English quotations should use doublequotes.
We use singlequotes only to present strings of example text
to be processed in a program somehow.  In the case of Emacs,
they are for text that gets manipulated inside Emacs.

     > * Key sequences, e.g., `C-x ESC O P'.

Key sequences (which only go through the keyboard) shouldn't be
quoted with singlequotes, or any kind of quotes.

   * Lisp patterns, e.g., `(ATOM . ELLIPSIS)'.

   * Lisp code, e.g., `(thai nil nil (mark))'.

These two cases (which are really the same case, since you can put a
metasyntactic variable into anything) are not supposed to be quoted
with singlequotes.

The following cases do get quoted with singlequotes:

   * Symbols, e.g., `load-file'

   * Info nodes, e.g., `(emacs)Lisp Libraries'.

   * URLs, e.g., `http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?lp'

   * Characters, e.g., `&', ` '.

   * Strings, e.g., `69'.

   * Regular expressions, e.g., `\\(_P\\|_PROTO\\)'.

   * Non-Lisp code, e.g., `ls -lR'.

It could conceivably be useful to use multiple kinds of quotation to
distinguish among these cases.  But we can't have enough kinds of
quotation marks to give each of these its own kind.  One would
need to use quoting style A for some of then, style B for some others,
style C for some others, etc.

It would take careful thought to figure out how to distribute (say)
three styles of showing quotes among those different uses.

I am not sure it is worth doing anything about.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-07  1:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150831061236.27796.57762@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKb-0007FR-Kk@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:26   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b533552 2/5: Documentation fixes re quotes Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:39     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  6:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  7:00           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  7:13             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  0:03           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02  1:05             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  1:27               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  1:30                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  5:19                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  5:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 16:32                       ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 15:38               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 17:42                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 18:49                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 21:50                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:08                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 22:47                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:59                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-07  1:28               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKd-0007Fs-15@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:29   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:38     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 17:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:40       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 18:48       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  7:35         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31 17:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:03       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  1:55         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-09-01  3:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01  6:29           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 10:45           ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 10:53             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-01 11:22             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 11:40               ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 11:42               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 12:06                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 14:20                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 10:16                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-03 11:22                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 14:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-03 15:04                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 13:31               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 14:15                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02  4:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:28                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 10:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 11:22                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 15:53                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 16:38                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 15:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-03 17:26                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 16:32                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 17:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 17:43                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 22:25                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 10:48                             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 12:45                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-03 14:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-02 22:13                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 12:22                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-03 14:56                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-04 13:22                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 20:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:25               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-07  1:28                 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2015-09-01 19:33               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02  2:34                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:23                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 11:16                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 11:52                     ` Quoting yank/diff prefixes (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim) David Kastrup
2015-09-03 14:34                     ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 22:57             ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  0:03     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  1:20       ` Paul Eggert

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