From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21277: 25.0.50; char-fold search is a screw, and I can't see how to disable Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d1yjx76b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440113256 8784 80.91.229.3 (20 Aug 2015 23:27:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, 21277@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 21 01:27:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSZEw-0006I0-JE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 01:27:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37826 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSZEv-00039v-Ty for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:27:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48909) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST9D-0001gt-Ry for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST9C-0003AC-I4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST9C-0003A4-De for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST9C-0000eD-6S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21277 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21277-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21277.14400897952448 (code B ref 21277); Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2015 16:56:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST8l-0000dP-4J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST8j-0000dG-Aq for 21277@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST8f-0002tV-8Q for 21277@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST8V-0002p4-Dm; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZST8U-0001IQ-R3; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:18 -0400 In-reply-to: <87d1yjx76b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:08:44 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:105617 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > If char-fold really only affects ASCII and Unicode lookalikes, is it > > important enough to be worth mentioning in the echo area? If not, > > let's delete it from the echo area. > One idea was to not display default parameters in the echo area. > So when e.g. char-fold search is t by default then it should not > be indicated in the echo area. Might be good. > > Does anyone really want to disable it? > Like case-fold search, char-fold search could be disabled either by > customizing the corresponding variable, or interactively with ‘M-s '’. Yes, but does anyone really ever want to disable it? > > On the other hand, lax whitespace search by default is a drastic > > change. That should be listed in the echo area, and its default > > should be nil. > AFAIK, a drastic change was not in lax whitespace search per se, but > only in its combination with char-fold search that we could fix now. Is that a certainty? I now think the problem is simply in lax whitespace search. Some evidence is that it occurs in an Emacs from a year ago, in which char-fold search did not exist. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.