From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <55826DCC.9040404@cs.ucla.edu> <55850208.3080605@cs.ucla.edu> <5585C279.3030607@cs.ucla.edu> <55871590.8010406@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434981393 12192 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2015 13:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 22 15:56:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72Cx-0001nX-8h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:56:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72Cw-0001Zp-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72CP-0001R8-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72CO-0005qr-O0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72C8-0005Nv-Ty; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:28 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z72C7-0007WF-OY; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:27 -0400 In-reply-to: <55871590.8010406@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:50:40 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187377 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The intent is to move to the simpler form, which uses curved quotes uniformly. To call it "simpler" is an exaggeration, for such a tiny simplification. But it may cause substantial problems for some people. For instance, how will this affect developers whose terminals won't display curly quotes, in editing the source code? How does Emacs display curly quotes on such terminals? > > To understand Emacs Lisp (beyond the rudiments) one must learn an awful lot. > Comments and strings and doc strings are part of the rudiments. That's more false than true. The general ideas of comments and strings are part of the rudiments. The general ideas of doc strings, not quite so much. The full conventions for doc strings are definitely not part of the rudiments. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.