From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:55:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Z72C7-0007WF-OY@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55871590.8010406@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:50:40 -0700)
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> The intent is to move to the simpler form, which uses curved quotes uniformly.
To call it "simpler" is an exaggeration, for such a tiny simplification.
But it may cause substantial problems for some people.
For instance, how will this affect developers whose terminals won't
display curly quotes, in editing the source code?
How does Emacs display curly quotes on such terminals?
> > To understand Emacs Lisp (beyond the rudiments) one must learn an awful lot.
> Comments and strings and doc strings are part of the rudiments.
That's more false than true.
The general ideas of comments and strings are part of the rudiments.
The general ideas of doc strings, not quite so much.
The full conventions for doc strings are definitely not
part of the rudiments.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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2015-06-15 14:22 Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-15 14:46 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-15 15:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-15 20:00 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 20:16 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 21:04 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 6:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 12:03 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-16 12:35 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 13:10 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-16 12:58 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-16 23:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:24 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-22 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-15 15:14 ` raman
2015-06-15 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 15:30 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 15:31 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 16:33 ` Stephan Mueller
2015-06-15 15:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-15 18:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-15 18:42 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 16:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-15 17:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 16:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:43 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-16 0:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 22:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 6:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 23:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 20:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 15:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-16 22:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 1:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 6:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 6:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 8:05 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-18 4:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 18:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 7:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 2:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 7:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-19 11:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 16:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 15:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 22:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 23:59 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 2:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 1:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 5:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 10:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-30 15:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 19:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 20:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 14:37 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 15:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 13:28 ` Andy Moreton
2015-07-01 16:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 18:06 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-27 12:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 9:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 15:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 14:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 1:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 17:52 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 19:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 20:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 5:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-28 19:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 19:54 ` chad
2015-06-28 21:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 21:37 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 4:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 7:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 12:02 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-19 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-19 9:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-19 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 17:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:24 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 1:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 8:42 ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-06-23 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 17:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 18:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-24 18:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 18:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 3:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 11:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 13:02 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 13:22 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-23 18:22 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 19:53 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 14:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 18:39 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 19:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 18:17 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:05 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:51 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 20:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-23 20:42 ` Matthew Carter
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2015-06-23 20:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-23 14:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 22:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 14:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-25 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 12:20 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 9:51 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 13:58 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 15:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 15:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 18:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 19:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 1:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 18:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-17 14:58 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-17 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-17 18:30 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-17 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 19:28 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 4:52 ` ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 8:16 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 9:50 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 20:49 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 22:24 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-22 23:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 22:49 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 8:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 17:41 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-24 21:44 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:57 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:59 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 22:22 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-25 1:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-25 17:49 ` Kaushal
2015-06-25 22:27 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 9:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 12:13 ` Kaushal
2015-06-26 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 19:08 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 21:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27 8:07 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-26 17:14 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 22:48 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 15:11 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-23 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:19 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 5:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 16:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 17:23 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 18:13 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-18 20:18 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 21:27 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 20:16 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-19 4:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 4:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 16:18 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 12:00 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 20:11 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 7:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-18 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-19 9:03 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 6:02 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-20 17:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 19:43 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-21 14:16 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-21 19:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:55 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2015-06-22 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 12:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:08 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 2:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 14:56 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 19:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 14:27 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 9:29 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-24 14:54 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 16:25 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 17:53 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-06-23 22:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
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2015-06-15 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-06-17 8:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 8:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 9:02 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-17 11:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 12:27 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-19 21:35 ` Paul Nathan
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2015-06-29 14:57 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Drew Adams
2015-06-29 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 16:14 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 2:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 22:20 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-01 19:33 ` Paul Eggert
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