From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <55826DCC.9040404@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434704679 30554 80.91.229.3 (19 Jun 2015 09:04:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 19 11:04:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDn-0001oA-LU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:04:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57001 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDh-0006OU-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49393) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDS-0006OP-4i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDR-0006UI-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDB-0006IM-UZ; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:03:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5sDB-0001YQ-2w; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:03:45 -0400 In-reply-to: <55826DCC.9040404@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187310 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It no longer takes 8 keystrokes (or even 4) to enter a curved quote -- I suggest > using the new Electric Quote minor mode, where it typically takes just 1 > keystroke. With that mode, the inconvenience will be more or less limited to those who don't know about it. Will it be enabled by default in Emacs Lisp mode? Even if we eliminate the practical inconvenience, it is still added complexity, and that has a cost, both in maintenance and in use. What practical advantage justifies this complexity? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.