From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434629032 6181 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2015 12:03:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 18 14:03:39 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YXh-0003yI-KH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:03:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52289 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YXg-0002Jf-IB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YXN-0002JV-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:03:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YXH-0001g6-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59415) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YWp-0001PS-AP; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:02:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5YWo-0000Cq-EL; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:02:42 -0400 In-reply-to: <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187284 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Your arguments are heated but not coherent. Denigrating a significant class of users with the term "lobby" does not make them less important or less worthy of respect. You can't refute a practical argument by targeting an imaginary prejudice. It is not pertinent what fraction of all computer users use non-ASCII characters daily. That doesn't tell us what fraction of Emacs users use non-ASCII characters -- but that is not pertinent either. You implicitly presume that they are in favor of this change, but that is not true. Some Emacs users that use non-ASCII characters daily _in Emacs_ will be inconvenienced by this change. The situation is simple: using curly quotes in doc strings would be a substantial inconvenience for many users _for no practical benefit_. If it provided a practical benefit for other users, we would need to consider how many gain how much (and what roles they have in Emacs development), versus how many lose how much. But since it doesn't, that question does not arise. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.