From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: ivan@siamics.net, 20499@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc.
Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 10:17:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Yr5Z5-0003Zh-RX@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83egmqp541.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 09 May 2015 10:44:30 +0300)
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> > That is a lot less input than the other method, and is sort of usable,
> > but inconvenient. I tried it in that very case.
> >
> > It includes Coptic characters as well as Greek; I don't know why.
> I don't know either. If I type TAB after just "greek", then I see no
> Coptic characters in completion candidates. What did you type before
> asking for completion?
I typed C-x 8 RET greek TAB TAB.
All the NAMES that appear start with "Greek", but when I inserted
GREEK CAPITAL LETTER HORI and examined it with C-u C-x =,
it said
name: COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER HORI
old-name: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER HORI
I didn't notice the old-name field the previous time. I suppose that
explains why it was included in that completion table. Anyway that
completion list is over 440 lines long, and not very useful.
> > It also includes many punctuation characters, and letters with
> > diacritics, that are in a different part of Unicode, and are not
> > normal Greek letters.
> This is simple Emacs completion at work: it brings you every character
> whose name begins with "GREEK".
Do you think I don't know that?
_Why_ it does what it does is not the issue. The only pertinent point
is that that it isn't a convenient way to do what I want to do.
> As for letters with diacriticals, how would Emacs know that you don't
> need those?
That question is spurious. Remember, I don't want to enter a
character name at all. I want to see all the glyphs.
Someone else suggested that C-x 8 RET might be a convenient alternate
method. I am explaining why it isn't.
If I had the feature I want, I would see the segment including the
usual Greek letters, and the far more numerous diacriticalized ones
would not be there (because they come later in Unicode).
> If you only want letters, you can give a more accurate spec to
> completion: "C-x 8 RET greek*letter <TAB> <TAB>". (The asterisk is a
> wildcard character.) That still produces quite a long list,
Indeed, it is still inconvenient.
> I hope you now agree that the use case of searching for a character
> with only some vague idea about its appearance and/or name needs some
> pretty sophisticated (and overlapping) capabilities for allowing the
> user to specify what she knows, before showing the possible
> candidates.
We seem to be totally miscommunicating. I DON'T WANT to search for
them by name. I never asked for that.
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-04 1:13 bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc Paul Eggert
2015-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 15:20 ` bug#16082: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 15:41 ` bug#20499: " Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 16:12 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 18:12 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 22:00 ` bug#20499: bug#16082: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Stefan Monnier
2015-05-04 16:11 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-04 16:15 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-04 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 16:48 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 17:40 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 22:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-05 14:38 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Richard Stallman
2015-05-05 14:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-05-05 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-05 16:05 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-05 15:31 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-05 16:20 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-05 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-06 13:09 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-06 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<E1Ypz4X-0002JA-R0@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-05-09 0:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-06 13:09 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Richard Stallman
2015-05-06 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-08 5:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-08 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-09 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 14:17 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2015-05-09 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 20:18 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 18:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-05 6:03 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-06 22:20 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 4:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 7:53 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Paul Eggert
2015-05-07 10:00 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 17:03 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 0:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 1:28 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, , " Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 18:48 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-12 8:56 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-12 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26 15:12 ` bug#16082: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-13 8:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-05-11 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-11 1:55 ` bug#20499: C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, " Paul Eggert
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