From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:46:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87mw4rxkzv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9uu3l57.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423608437 4853 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 22:47:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, netcasper@gmail.com, slewsys@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Florian Weimer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 23:47:09 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJaF-0001GQ-Kg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:47:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42315 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJaF-0002TO-7S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:47:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJZq-0001sS-Kg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:46:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJZl-0004Fu-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:46:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJZj-0004DW-Im for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLJZj-00021o-0z; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:46:35 -0500 In-reply-to: <87h9uu3l57.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (message from Florian Weimer on Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:06:12 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182847 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'm pretty sure more work is still done on GCC under NDA than on LLVM, I doubt that anyone is in a position to know. But the two are not comparable anyway. A version of GCC made under NDA can't be redistributed by the company that commissioned it. The GNU GPL requires that. By contrast, LLVM is not copyefted, the company that commissioned a modified version under NDA can distribute proprietary binaries. > What does user freedom matter if they never even get to use the code? What does release of the code matter, if it would deny users their freedom? The basic idea of the free software movement is that users should have freedom for all the software they use. A proprietary program is worse than no program. A proprietary program is an injustice. We use copyleft to insist: either release your modified version as source in the same way, or keep it private, but do not distribute it in a way that would separate people from their freedom. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.