From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87wq66ufyt.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zjb04tlw.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnnfve9c.fsf@dod.no> <871to5kt1a.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87y4q8yi4j.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <871tnywkjt.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418973535 8966 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 07:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, sb@dod.no, kyle.c.andrews@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 08:18:50 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpp-0003qN-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:18:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57103 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpo-0007Xm-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45268) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpc-0007XQ-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpa-0003BN-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpa-0003BI-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpW-0006sT-T8; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:30 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:14:27 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180312 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Here, rather than suggest to analyze the existing cases, I'll just point > out that pretty much the rest of the world lives happily without being > able to use two different texts, so I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. It is not actually much trouble. If it takes two minutes for each new node (that's estimating high), it is tiny compared with writing the text of that node. > in 99% of the cases, we could use the exact same text for , > , and . Purpose-written text in the MenuDescription is helpful to users. In practice, usually the NodeName and SectionTitle are the same. But often it is better if they are different. We like node names to be quite short, but SectionTitle can be longer. This is due to the details of Info format. If we replace Info with some other format, maybe it will be fine always to have NodeName and SectionTitle the same. There are some cases of sections that don't have nodes, but they could be handled specially. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.