From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <877fy77zhp.fsf@web.de> <87k326d4ww.fsf@gmail.com> <877fy6rp2o.fsf@web.de> <548230FB.40307@dancol.org> <5482C872.5010304@dancol.org> <5483C537.3010707@dancol.org> <54840719.5080209@dancol.org> <87a92zmnv4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <5484FD09.60603@dancol.org> <9ae6762d-a52a-4a06-b2e9-dab893a22d38@default> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418072465 11900 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 21:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 22:01:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5QS-0007XL-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:01:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36143 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5QR-0006TX-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:00:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35411) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5Oy-0004V1-Oa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:59:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5Ot-0001c8-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:59:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59337) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5Ot-0001c0-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:59:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5Os-0004cU-HF; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:59:22 -0500 In-reply-to: <9ae6762d-a52a-4a06-b2e9-dab893a22d38@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:34:06 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179473 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I wonder whether perhaps Richard ran into the need to use prefixes > so much because he was implementing the CL package system, and not > just making normal use of it. Just a conjecture. I implemented all the Common Lisp features (of which the package system was one) in the Lisp Machine operating system, which included lots of programs to do lots of things. (An Emacs-like editor was one of them.) In practice, the goal of using names without prefixes via importing namespace did not work out. I make the conjecture that name space importing is convenient when you have lots of small modules, each with its own name space and not many names, and each referring to just a few other modules. That's not how the Lisp Machine system was written, and it's also mostly not how Emacs was written. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.