From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <83h9x93leo.fsf@gnu.org> <20141205205320.GA7237@thyrsus.com> <838uil3eam.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417867677 9255 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 12:07:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 13:07:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE9P-0006CD-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:07:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE9P-0003NF-6j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:07:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55573) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE8e-0002nW-Jh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:07:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE8d-0001wW-MZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:07:04 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:48069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE8d-0001wO-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:07:03 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxE8Y-0002wU-U1; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:07:01 -0500 In-reply-to: <838uil3eam.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:46:57 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179163 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Both of you are takig a harsh tone in these messages. If anything will drive people away from contributing, it is that. Please, both of you, and everyone, take the aggression out of your arguments. > Eli Zaretskii : > > > Because Texinfo is a barrier in itself, full of ceremony and heavyweight > > > markup. > > > > Nonsense. > > You have Texinfo markup in your fingertips. So do I. The difference > is, I can perform the cognitive distancing act required to see how it > looks to newbies. Apparently you can't. Apparently, there are no technical arguments left in your arsenal (if there were any to begin with), so you are down to ad hominem. Shame on you! > > > The state of the art has moved well past it - modern formats like > > > asciidoc (or perhaps even org - others may be right about that) are > > > both lighter and more powerful. > > > > How about showing those advantages, instead of throwing > > unsubstantiated FAD? > > Sure. Go look at the asciidoc masters in the Linux or git source trees. How typical. See above. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.