From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:42:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a93cngwv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837fyfml31.fsf@gnu.org> <874mtio7wh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> <83a938aeuc.fsf@gnu.org> <838uir8huv.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417531411 8207 80.91.229.3 (2 Dec 2014 14:43:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 02 15:43:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xvofl-0001MZ-H5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:43:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37158 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xvofl-00022z-5L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:43:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvofJ-0001zM-DG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:42:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvofE-0005vE-2j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:42:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvofE-0005vA-0e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:42:52 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xvof4-0005yy-Ts; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:42:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <838uir8huv.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:17:28 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178688 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > We need a convenient _user-level_ feature to make them visible. > We have glyphless-char-display-control, which is a defcustom. If that > is still too technical, we can have a minor mode to set that for these > directional controls, A minor mode would be convenient enough for non-wizard users. > I think we should prefer making them visible only in the context where > they could cause harm. Making them visible everywhere could be an > annoyance. It would only be an annoyance for users who really use bidi, and they would turn it off so it would not annoy them again. > But even if I'd agree with you, making a convenient and reliable way > of going back to unidirectional display of Emacs 23 and before would > require a lot of work, because the current display engine no longer > supports unidirectional display without reordering, at least not > reliably. It is easy to make an option turn off bidi processing. All it has to do is make all characters seem LTR. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.