From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a93cngwv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837fyfml31.fsf@gnu.org> <874mtio7wh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjb8n6th.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417429146 30776 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2014 10:19:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 01 11:19:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO4J-0003wU-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:18:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59372 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO4J-0007SL-4x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54587) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO3f-0006X9-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO3e-0002ic-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO3d-0002iY-UD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:17 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvO3T-0005vK-GU; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:18:07 -0500 In-reply-to: <87zjb8n6th.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178574 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I agree, but the issue discussed here is different: > I have to disagree. The issue is about *any* technology that can be > used to convince the user that one URL is being accessed when in fact > another one is. In general, yes, but at present we're looking at two specific cases of that. They made need different solutions. 1. There are magic bidi characters inside the URL. 2. The bidi context of the URL could cause the URL to appear strangely even though the URL itself does not contain any magic bidi characters. Mixing up these two cases has caused a lot of confusion in this discussion. Things said about one of them were mistakenly applied to the other, resulting in nonsense. I proposed checking the URL for bidi magic, for case 1, and someone interpreted the suggestion based on case 2 and said it would be ineffective. For case 2 I proposed the user could insert newlines around the URL to see what it really says. Someone replied that this would be ineffective because he interpreted it based on case 1. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.