From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a93cngwv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837fyfml31.fsf@gnu.org> <874mtio7wh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417280741 10764 80.91.229.3 (29 Nov 2014 17:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 29 18:05:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSi-0008CL-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:05:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48280 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSh-0005l8-WB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46857) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSa-0005k4-0b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSY-0006mf-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:27 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSX-0006mb-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XulSX-0006FU-BK; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:05:25 -0500 In-reply-to: <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:22:45 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178460 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Whatever the reason, I'd have to say that's too bad for users of bidi > > languages, because that means *any* bidi URLs is ambiguous, and > > therefore subject to being deliberately obfuscated by reflection > > and/or jumbling, regardless of the presence of directional controls. > I agree, but the issue discussed here is different: it's AFAIU about > users of LTR scripts that can fall victim to use of directional > controls that are by default (almost) invisible on Emacs display. We need to address both issues --- with two different solutions, if necessary. I have a feeling that the problem that LTR URLs get reordered strangely must have presented itself in other software, such as browsers. What do they do about it? If the host NAME isn't confused, perhaps it is not really dangerous. So perhaps it is enough to make sure to avoid confusion about the host name. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.