From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: POP3 password in plaintext? Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878ul1x4kw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412105054 10917 80.91.229.3 (30 Sep 2014 19:24:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 30 21:24:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31r-0000bw-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:24:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45290 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31r-0000Bx-7F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56965) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31R-000084-Sf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31R-000870-1R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:23:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31Q-00086m-Uu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:23:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XZ31P-0005e2-V1; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:23:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <878ul1x4kw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174887 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] There's not much users can do. ... In most cases their mailboxes are on heavily defended, trusted systems (from the users' point of view, I know you worry about the reliability of the administrators), so the normal approach to this problem is to use TLS to protect the channel from snooping. These points seem to conflict. First, there is no protection. Second, there is protection: use TLS for this communication. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.