From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some candidates for obsoletion Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401449088 8799 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2014 11:24:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 11:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 13:24:43 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvS-00054j-K9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 13:24:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvR-0003ak-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvN-0003W6-0I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvM-0006PC-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvM-0006P7-1z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqKvI-0005Sw-Vz; Fri, 30 May 2014 07:24:33 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 29 May 2014 21:59:25 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:172191 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > please verify that with the users but before you do anything to them. > Please post on help-gnu-emacs and ask the user community to verify this. I don't see the need. I'm asking here. This list is not a representative sample of Emacs users. Files in lisp/obsolete are just as usable as when they lived in another directory. It is always at least several Emacs releases/years between "move something to obsolete/" and "delete it altogether". True, but if this is meant to trigger feedback from users, it should ask them for feedback. How about setting them up so that if someone invokes them they display a message "Please write to emacs-devel@gnu.org if you don't want this to get deleted some day."? Or is the idea to leave them permanently in the obsolete dir? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.