From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388953221 6381 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 20:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 21:20:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBQ-0001BV-De for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:20:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59304 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBP-0004p2-P6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52313) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBM-0004ov-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBL-0005tc-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:23 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBL-0005tY-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuBK-0001kf-Ew; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:20:22 -0500 In-reply-to: <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> (esr@thyrsus.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167393 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Mostly there *aren't* any "standard modern terms", because there are no other editors in which there is so much decoupling between the local equivalents of our core concepts that they need to be described separately. There are the standard modern terms cut, paste and copy. In regard to windows, buffers and frames, we could have a mode of operation which ties each buffer to a one-window frame. That would eliminate a lot of complexity. We could even offer that as the mode of use for beginners, if that would make it easier for a new generation of hackers to become Emacs users. I don't know whether it WOULD have that effect, but if it would, I think it is a good idea. Do beginners typically run Emacs under a graphical window system? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.