From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388822389 2890 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 07:59:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Toby Cubitt Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 08:59:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM9E-0000cT-VT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:59:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53493 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM9E-0003AB-N1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37067) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM9B-00037F-4B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM9A-00075L-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM9A-00075H-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:52 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzM99-0005VQ-8x; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:59:51 -0500 In-reply-to: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> (message from Toby Cubitt on Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:21:17 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167260 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Do I really need to put a humour disclaimer after ever attempt at levity? I thought the emoticon would be sufficient indication, but apparently not . You made it very clear this was a joke, but Ha Ha does not imply there isn't an Only Serious. That particular joke seemed to have a real mean criticism in it. I'm glad to know you didn't mean it that way. It IS unfortunate for Emacs that other subsequent popular editors all use different terms. That's why the joke stung -- because it implied this was due to a mistake on our part. But even though we did not do anything wrong, it is unfortunate for us nonetheless. If it is possible to change Emacs to use some standard modern terms instead of its current terms, it might be worth doing, even if it means a series of renaming spread over a period of years. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.