From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uvmoypl.fsf@dod.no> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387277570 25417 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2013 10:52:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Allen S. Rout" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 17 11:52:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGl-0000af-Ls for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:52:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60678 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGl-0000TO-7J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42111) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGh-0000TB-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGg-0002eM-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGf-0002eI-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VssGe-0001Aa-Ow; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:52:48 -0500 In-reply-to: (asr@ufl.edu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166542 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] It is a structured document. Some people would choose to _view_ it as an outline. MY document is text with a title, containing some lists with bullet points. Apparently your file is a structured document, which Org mode shows _by default_ as an outline. So they are considerably different. Maybe some people would choose to view my document as an outline. Who knows? It makes no sense, but if someone really wants to do it, I will not object. But showing my document as an outline by default is a bug. It should appear as text with a title. Tnat's how OpenOffice shows it. If you suggest representing my document as a certain file, but Org mode's default handing of that file is to display an outline, it follows that that file in Org mode doesn't properly represent my document. Maybe some other different file in Org mode would properly represent my document. If not, maybe Org mode could use a change so that some file would properly represent my document. Others would choose to view as a block of pretty text, Org mode did not tell me how to choose anything but the outline. Maybe there is a way to do it, but it did not tell me. Anyway, if the document is meant to be text with a title, it should be saved as a file which will appear, by default, as text with a title. Most importantly, it is an error to decide that this new use for the org toolset is, all of a sudden, The Correct Interpretation Of Documents. You lost me there. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.