From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <5294659B.9050502@online.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385481531 16630 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 15:58:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bzg@altern.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas Röhler Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 16:58:58 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL2Q-0006Ij-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:58:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59594 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL2Q-0005Mj-1f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34519) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL2C-00050l-CX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL27-0002e4-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42943) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL27-0002dn-Lr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlL26-0004qx-IC; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:58:38 -0500 In-reply-to: <5294659B.9050502@online.de> (message from Andreas Röhler on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:10:51 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165764 Archived-At: [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. - basic fixes and enhancements of common Emacs features, tables, footnotes etc. Would wish the both last items seeing back-ported into major Emacs without need of org-mode. In principle, I agree. But there seems to be a disagreement about whether these are fixes or enhancements of common Emacs features. Bastien said, For the second item, you can't have it without Org. Andreas, could you list a few of these points, so we can see whether they make sense outside Org mode? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.