From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: florian@fsavigny.de (Florian v. Savigny) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs and Lynx Browser Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k3n0z4vj.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <20130516125414.GD14224@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> <87r4gwkvmo.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369435221 21938 80.91.229.3 (24 May 2013 22:40:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:40:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 00:40:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0ep-00071p-IY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:40:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37533 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0ep-00031g-4C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42323) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0ed-0002zZ-Hz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0ec-0000PX-BK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from srv4.ns-domain-hosting.de ([178.63.89.203]:58749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0ec-0000N2-1Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:40:06 -0400 X-No-Relay: not in my network Original-Received: from bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_27_000 (p4FECC763.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.236.199.99]) by srv4.ns-domain-hosting.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C036E15DC001 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:40:05 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <87r4gwkvmo.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> (message from Emanuel Berg on Fri, 24 May 2013 21:47:43 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 178.63.89.203 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:91038 Archived-At: > Pascal c writes: >=20 > > I'm starting to learn Emacs. It's not easy but I can already > > feel how intresting it is. Good instinct. ;-) (No - I mean it.) > There are some great books for you to pick up. I read the 1988 manual > by Richard Stallman and also a modern book called "Learning GNU > Emacs".=20 You probably mean the green-white one published by O'Reilly? (By Debra Whatshername, and a guy - maybe even Eric Raymond, originally?). That was the one that got me hooked back in about 1998, so I would also recommend it (a factor to consider, however, might be how new the latest edition is. But then, even an outdated one might help a lot.). Since then, Emacs has been the centre of practically everything for me. > In many general-purpose GNU/Linux introductions, there are > chapters on Emacs, but those typically only cover what you already > know: cursor movements, filling paragraphs, splitting windows... That= 's > why getting "Emacs only" books is something I benefited from, a lot. Interestingly, there are comparatively few Emacs books around, which is surprising given the stellar respectability the program has earned, and its versatility. (Compare that to the number of Perl books around - it's striking, isn't it? I once took Damian Conway's "Perl Best Practices" and started to apply them to Elisp, because much was transferable.) The nice thing about the O'Reilly book is that it does a modest amount of advertising Emacs. I still remember one thing they kept mentioning: That it was integration that made Emacs so interesting. This is still true fifteen years later. The manual, as far as I know it, is "dryer". Nevertheless, I would say it is also worth reading in print. If you like to program, the Introduction into Emacs Lisp by Robert Cha... (forgotten the rest) is also not bad. Later, you discover so much well-done self-documentation and -demonstration (C-h f, C-h F, C-h C-h, C-x C-e, C-j in the *scratch* buffer, and edebug-defun) that reading becomes increasingly unnecessary. (Sorry if that was trivial for most. I just could not resist relating the essence of my own experience. Over the years, Emacs has helped me enormously in two very different jobs - translator and teacher -, and that was because I could always tweak it to do what I wanted. It allows you to do those simple things that you normally only imagine.) Best,=20 Florian